Comments on: IMAM ZAID SHAKIR: INTERVIEW http://goatmilkblog.com/2008/02/03/imam-zaid-shakir-interview/ The Best Blog in the History of the Whole Wide World Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:34:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Barack Obama » IMAM ZAID SHAKIR: INTERVIEW http://goatmilkblog.com/2008/02/03/imam-zaid-shakir-interview/#comment-79 Barack Obama » IMAM ZAID SHAKIR: INTERVIEW Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:57:50 +0000 http://goatmilk.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/imam-zaid-shakir-interview/#comment-79 [...] Presidential election 2008 |Republicans Vs. Democrats wrote an interesting post today on IMAM ZAID SHAKIR: INTERVIEWHere’s a quick excerptI think Muslims first of all must ask if we are going to see ourselves as a progressive , social group looking at the interests of Muslims in the progressive sense, or are we looking at ourselves as a progressive human group who are … [...] [...] Presidential election 2008 |Republicans Vs. Democrats wrote an interesting post today on IMAM ZAID SHAKIR: INTERVIEWHere’s a quick excerptI think Muslims first of all must ask if we are going to see ourselves as a progressive , social group looking at the interests of Muslims in the progressive sense, or are we looking at ourselves as a progressive human group who are … [...]

]]> By: Asian Mongrel http://goatmilkblog.com/2008/02/03/imam-zaid-shakir-interview/#comment-75 Asian Mongrel Mon, 04 Feb 2008 03:53:19 +0000 http://goatmilk.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/imam-zaid-shakir-interview/#comment-75 Oh what a shame. It now seems obvious to me that Imam Zaid Shakir could only exist in America because he is (a) a populist, and (b) ignorant of history. Is he so afraid of assassination that he gives the most ludicrous explanation of Islam's lack of progress as the bubonic plague? The one thing that stopped the Muslim world dead in its tracks (often literally) were the Crusades. You had a bunch of backward, greedy Europeans attacking the Middle East on the pretext of religion that was actually a hidden economic war. No civilization, no matter how advanced (as the Muslims were at that stage), can successfully carry out a war of attrition for two centuries. The eventual Muslim victory was pyrrhic. This was in the 13th century. It would have made a much greater argument to rely on the truth. Like the USA touts itself now, the Muslim civilization at the time of the Crusades was one of the greatest, and modern, in all the world. But getting involved in a multi-generational war (whether it asked for it or not) led to its downfall. There is, in this history lesson, no greater warning than an American patriot can give to his fellow men. Do not go down this McCain-esque path. Whether righteous or not, it will be your undoing. If Imam Zaid Shakir would like to take his views to Europe, I'm sure a number of prominent historians would be more than happy to correct his misperceptions. But I see that historical blindness is a necessary prerequisite to so-called political activism in the USA. If I seem harsh, it's because I see someone with influence squandering his oratory gifts. The debate deserves better than this man. Oh what a shame. It now seems obvious to me that Imam Zaid Shakir could only exist in America because he is (a) a populist, and (b) ignorant of history. Is he so afraid of assassination that he gives the most ludicrous explanation of Islam’s lack of progress as the bubonic plague? The one thing that stopped the Muslim world dead in its tracks (often literally) were the Crusades. You had a bunch of backward, greedy Europeans attacking the Middle East on the pretext of religion that was actually a hidden economic war. No civilization, no matter how advanced (as the Muslims were at that stage), can successfully carry out a war of attrition for two centuries. The eventual Muslim victory was pyrrhic. This was in the 13th century.

It would have made a much greater argument to rely on the truth. Like the USA touts itself now, the Muslim civilization at the time of the Crusades was one of the greatest, and modern, in all the world. But getting involved in a multi-generational war (whether it asked for it or not) led to its downfall. There is, in this history lesson, no greater warning than an American patriot can give to his fellow men. Do not go down this McCain-esque path. Whether righteous or not, it will be your undoing.

If Imam Zaid Shakir would like to take his views to Europe, I’m sure a number of prominent historians would be more than happy to correct his misperceptions. But I see that historical blindness is a necessary prerequisite to so-called political activism in the USA. If I seem harsh, it’s because I see someone with influence squandering his oratory gifts. The debate deserves better than this man.

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]]> By: Randy Nichols http://goatmilkblog.com/2008/02/03/imam-zaid-shakir-interview/#comment-72 Randy Nichols Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:00:34 +0000 http://goatmilk.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/imam-zaid-shakir-interview/#comment-72 I found your site on google blog search and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. Just added your RSS feed to my feed reader. Look forward to reading more from you. - Randy Nichols. I found your site on google blog search and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. Just added your RSS feed to my feed reader. Look forward to reading more from you.

- Randy Nichols.

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