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	<title>Comments on: Muslims Talking Sex: &#8220;Using Marriage to Bring Sexy Back&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Oz guy</title>
		<link>http://goatmilkblog.com/2009/12/28/muslims-talking-sex-using-marriage-to-bring-sexy-back/#comment-7304</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really wanted to control my tongue and refrain from writing, but I had to give into my nafs unfortunately. While I honestly cringed at this article, I was hoping to make sense of where the writer was coming from. The problem is that the writer happens to do exactly what she blames others of doing - intellectualising the discourse on sex without addressing key issues that otherwise respected scholars do. To address this issue - I also have to engage in similar fashion. 

The argument suggests that single Muslims - who are oh-so obviously talking about sex - are not getting married so they can too start doing it instead of talking about it?! In addition, it stereotypes sexuality as a vulnerable notion in marriage - which may not be the case among those confident of their sexuality. Also, the suggested solution to the problem - as unfortunately Muslims bathed in liberalism have done time and time again - is fixated upon individualism - that the individual should seek out marriage &quot;more aggressively&quot;. Well, I guess modernity is defined as the age of the individual - which is why now, more than ever, we need educated, articulate, ethical, passionate, thinking Muslims to continue a discourse that is outside the square of the modern Western liberal paradigm. 

What needs to be discussed is the sociological factors that come into play in the Muslim Ummah today. Whether we like it or not - our societies are overtly sexualised through various mediums and even our cultural definition of aesthetics is entrenched in sex and sexuality, in particularly  where the institution of marriage has an ontological departure from the notion of sex and sexuality which theoretically does not in Islam. While the article mentions that sex is only after marriage in Islam, the solution is &quot;get ur @ss up n hurrah n get hitched!!&quot; While sex influences from pubescent years (probably even earlier to the Nintendo Wii generation), the concept of marriage is continually postponed for material reasons, where the society (includes cultural factors, family factors, brides asking for too much $$, husband being less academically qualified than the wife, etc) makes it extremely difficult to be married. This is where Muslims need to think outside the square - where Usul need to take precedent in determining what is acceptable in society and what changes are required. In effect, instead of individual - the pivotal socio-communal changes as Dr. Sherman Jackson refers to when supporting issues like conducting nikah at a much earlier age while continuing to study should be considered. This would mean understanding the age of maturity according to the way usul considers - as a way of conducting marriage - or at least allowing people to be sexually active in a younger age, in order to overcome the problems of pornography and zina. 

Through shallow discussions, it does not help the community nor does it bring about any light. While Islam has a framework for sexuality, we continually seem to discuss the issues far away from the tradition, rather than within. A typical example is when the legitimacy of polygyny is condemned as some sort of disgusting sin! One does not able to see the freedom of a society that does not condemn polygyny (and I ain&#039;t talking about sexual freedom either). Yes muslims have all sorts of problems with many things - and yes there is a double standard against women. As a Muslim guy it is sad to see that so many Muslim - guys and girls are entrenched in zina/pornopraphy, etc.  Having said that, without hopefully taken out of context by readers, Islam is an erotic religion where sex is not taboo. It is only when we see that it is being practiced openly, where the institution of marriage is much easier to attain to, where single mothers are remarried and do not carry a stigma, where polygyny is not denigrated etc. will we see the doors of blessings open up in our society - not my words, but that of Dr. Umar F Abdallah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wanted to control my tongue and refrain from writing, but I had to give into my nafs unfortunately. While I honestly cringed at this article, I was hoping to make sense of where the writer was coming from. The problem is that the writer happens to do exactly what she blames others of doing &#8211; intellectualising the discourse on sex without addressing key issues that otherwise respected scholars do. To address this issue &#8211; I also have to engage in similar fashion. </p>
<p>The argument suggests that single Muslims &#8211; who are oh-so obviously talking about sex &#8211; are not getting married so they can too start doing it instead of talking about it?! In addition, it stereotypes sexuality as a vulnerable notion in marriage &#8211; which may not be the case among those confident of their sexuality. Also, the suggested solution to the problem &#8211; as unfortunately Muslims bathed in liberalism have done time and time again &#8211; is fixated upon individualism &#8211; that the individual should seek out marriage &#8220;more aggressively&#8221;. Well, I guess modernity is defined as the age of the individual &#8211; which is why now, more than ever, we need educated, articulate, ethical, passionate, thinking Muslims to continue a discourse that is outside the square of the modern Western liberal paradigm. </p>
<p>What needs to be discussed is the sociological factors that come into play in the Muslim Ummah today. Whether we like it or not &#8211; our societies are overtly sexualised through various mediums and even our cultural definition of aesthetics is entrenched in sex and sexuality, in particularly  where the institution of marriage has an ontological departure from the notion of sex and sexuality which theoretically does not in Islam. While the article mentions that sex is only after marriage in Islam, the solution is &#8220;get ur @ss up n hurrah n get hitched!!&#8221; While sex influences from pubescent years (probably even earlier to the Nintendo Wii generation), the concept of marriage is continually postponed for material reasons, where the society (includes cultural factors, family factors, brides asking for too much $$, husband being less academically qualified than the wife, etc) makes it extremely difficult to be married. This is where Muslims need to think outside the square &#8211; where Usul need to take precedent in determining what is acceptable in society and what changes are required. In effect, instead of individual &#8211; the pivotal socio-communal changes as Dr. Sherman Jackson refers to when supporting issues like conducting nikah at a much earlier age while continuing to study should be considered. This would mean understanding the age of maturity according to the way usul considers &#8211; as a way of conducting marriage &#8211; or at least allowing people to be sexually active in a younger age, in order to overcome the problems of pornography and zina. </p>
<p>Through shallow discussions, it does not help the community nor does it bring about any light. While Islam has a framework for sexuality, we continually seem to discuss the issues far away from the tradition, rather than within. A typical example is when the legitimacy of polygyny is condemned as some sort of disgusting sin! One does not able to see the freedom of a society that does not condemn polygyny (and I ain&#8217;t talking about sexual freedom either). Yes muslims have all sorts of problems with many things &#8211; and yes there is a double standard against women. As a Muslim guy it is sad to see that so many Muslim &#8211; guys and girls are entrenched in zina/pornopraphy, etc.  Having said that, without hopefully taken out of context by readers, Islam is an erotic religion where sex is not taboo. It is only when we see that it is being practiced openly, where the institution of marriage is much easier to attain to, where single mothers are remarried and do not carry a stigma, where polygyny is not denigrated etc. will we see the doors of blessings open up in our society &#8211; not my words, but that of Dr. Umar F Abdallah.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalid</title>
		<link>http://goatmilkblog.com/2009/12/28/muslims-talking-sex-using-marriage-to-bring-sexy-back/#comment-6896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Khalid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a well written piece, which all young Muslims can relate too. The writer aptly stated that sex is something on everyone&#039;s minds immediately after puberty. Also for some, like myself, sex was something on our minds even before puberty (even tough I remember, I had no idea on the technical aspects of copulation). All thanks to the sex-driven media outlets. 
The aspects of the media was tackled, but not as adequately. If the writer could have raised issues like pornography foe example, and both its positive and negative aspects on the youth, the article would have been much more enriched.
This article is a positive approach in tackling the moral aspects of marriage for the Muslim youth, and will go a long way to helping those willing to remain pure for their spouse. It can&#039;t get more romantic than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a well written piece, which all young Muslims can relate too. The writer aptly stated that sex is something on everyone&#8217;s minds immediately after puberty. Also for some, like myself, sex was something on our minds even before puberty (even tough I remember, I had no idea on the technical aspects of copulation). All thanks to the sex-driven media outlets.<br />
The aspects of the media was tackled, but not as adequately. If the writer could have raised issues like pornography foe example, and both its positive and negative aspects on the youth, the article would have been much more enriched.<br />
This article is a positive approach in tackling the moral aspects of marriage for the Muslim youth, and will go a long way to helping those willing to remain pure for their spouse. It can&#8217;t get more romantic than that.</p>
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		<title>By: onesa wife too</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[onesa wife too]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The larger problem for the average non-sexually experienced virgin muslim men is finding similar women who are okay with porn or pornographic hypersexuality in the bedroom away from the public eye, as pushed by current culture outside the bedroom. Not knowing my own body sexually before marriage, wouldn&#039;t help if I wanted pleasure from my husband and couldn&#039;t guide him, or pleasing him. What you do with your husband in the bedroom together should be fun as a couple, enjoyed together. You&#039;re right, the dual standards do need to go away that only men like sexual intuition, or sexual tantalization. We love things that excite us, whether it&#039;s in literary form or visual, although the former applies more to us than men.

Being similar to your husband in sexual wants and needs, willing to enjoy it together, including the risque parts is crucial, and best marriages are those that are sexually satisfied for both parties. After all, it&#039;s you he loves and wants to do everything with, and I love him the same.

My advice to any virgin girls out there would be to figure out your wants and sexual needs with your body well enough, and you don&#039;t need to have sex with someone else to do this -- so there isn&#039;t a &#039;void&#039; after you get married in your marriage where you guys aren&#039;t compatible. After marriage communication is the most important part, express the wants and needs so he reciprocates with sharing his wants and needs -- and hopefully there wouldn&#039;t be much to compromise on since he&#039;d be just excited to have someone who is so sexually open and honest, and knows what she wants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The larger problem for the average non-sexually experienced virgin muslim men is finding similar women who are okay with porn or pornographic hypersexuality in the bedroom away from the public eye, as pushed by current culture outside the bedroom. Not knowing my own body sexually before marriage, wouldn&#8217;t help if I wanted pleasure from my husband and couldn&#8217;t guide him, or pleasing him. What you do with your husband in the bedroom together should be fun as a couple, enjoyed together. You&#8217;re right, the dual standards do need to go away that only men like sexual intuition, or sexual tantalization. We love things that excite us, whether it&#8217;s in literary form or visual, although the former applies more to us than men.</p>
<p>Being similar to your husband in sexual wants and needs, willing to enjoy it together, including the risque parts is crucial, and best marriages are those that are sexually satisfied for both parties. After all, it&#8217;s you he loves and wants to do everything with, and I love him the same.</p>
<p>My advice to any virgin girls out there would be to figure out your wants and sexual needs with your body well enough, and you don&#8217;t need to have sex with someone else to do this &#8212; so there isn&#8217;t a &#8216;void&#8217; after you get married in your marriage where you guys aren&#8217;t compatible. After marriage communication is the most important part, express the wants and needs so he reciprocates with sharing his wants and needs &#8212; and hopefully there wouldn&#8217;t be much to compromise on since he&#8217;d be just excited to have someone who is so sexually open and honest, and knows what she wants.</p>
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		<title>By: alex thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alex thompson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After the firebombing of the publisher of “The Jewel of Medina,” a novel about Mohammad’s young wife, Aisha, there is only one place to publish controversial books about Islam: the Dark Net.  That’s good fore readers, because you can read them there for free.  But profit is not the motive here, only enlightenment about what Mohammad really stood for.  This is especially the case as regards sex.  Mohammad was a hedonist but radical Islam is puritanical.  What they inflict on their women is, however, not Islam but tribal in origin: legitimised as Islamic, what women are subjected to is really ancient tribal law. 
“The Daughters of Fatima” was praised by every publisher and agent in London as a beautifully written, fascinating book, but they would not dare publish it.  It will be appearing from today in serial form, chapter by chapter, on the Net, through The  Shedonists’s Blog: shedonists.wordpress.com.  It tells the story of Gemma, a free-spirited Aussie girl who founds a string of “Shedonist” clubs for women to live out their erotic fantasies but has to go into hiding when a Fatwa is placed on her after an underground Shedonist club is discovered in Saudi Arabia.  Instead of succumbing, Gemma decides to use her notoriety to rescue a tribal girl in the Swat valley who is threatened with “honour rape”…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the firebombing of the publisher of “The Jewel of Medina,” a novel about Mohammad’s young wife, Aisha, there is only one place to publish controversial books about Islam: the Dark Net.  That’s good fore readers, because you can read them there for free.  But profit is not the motive here, only enlightenment about what Mohammad really stood for.  This is especially the case as regards sex.  Mohammad was a hedonist but radical Islam is puritanical.  What they inflict on their women is, however, not Islam but tribal in origin: legitimised as Islamic, what women are subjected to is really ancient tribal law.<br />
“The Daughters of Fatima” was praised by every publisher and agent in London as a beautifully written, fascinating book, but they would not dare publish it.  It will be appearing from today in serial form, chapter by chapter, on the Net, through The  Shedonists’s Blog: shedonists.wordpress.com.  It tells the story of Gemma, a free-spirited Aussie girl who founds a string of “Shedonist” clubs for women to live out their erotic fantasies but has to go into hiding when a Fatwa is placed on her after an underground Shedonist club is discovered in Saudi Arabia.  Instead of succumbing, Gemma decides to use her notoriety to rescue a tribal girl in the Swat valley who is threatened with “honour rape”…</p>
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		<title>By: Onesa Prude</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onesa Prude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ouch ouch and ouch. who woulda thought that encouraging people to embrace and harness their sexual desires to more eagerly seek out marriage would ruffle so many feathers?  to all of you (clearly) offended readers: yes, there are bad men and women out there, and yes some of us do end up in bad marriages BUT there are also happily married couples out there who have wonderful sex. what&#039;s wrong with highlighting the potential for incredible sex within marriage and encouraging people to consider marriage as an outlet for the sexual desires?  isn&#039;t that a large part of what drives people to relationships anyway? so it&#039;s okay to embrace one&#039;s sexual desire in the courting phase, but not when it comes to taking the leap and getting married?
from all of this criticism i can&#039;t help but wonder what the proposed alternative is? should we discourage sex within marriage because of everyone who&#039;s had a bad experience? should we tell our horny brothers and sisters to slow it down indefinitely while they continue to play the field? there is no guarantee that marriages will work - and there are a great deal of issues within marriage that need to be addressed. but, even though i don&#039;t want to rain on anyone&#039;s parade, marriage isn&#039;t all bad.  and sex within marriage isn&#039;t too shabby a proposition, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ouch ouch and ouch. who woulda thought that encouraging people to embrace and harness their sexual desires to more eagerly seek out marriage would ruffle so many feathers?  to all of you (clearly) offended readers: yes, there are bad men and women out there, and yes some of us do end up in bad marriages BUT there are also happily married couples out there who have wonderful sex. what&#8217;s wrong with highlighting the potential for incredible sex within marriage and encouraging people to consider marriage as an outlet for the sexual desires?  isn&#8217;t that a large part of what drives people to relationships anyway? so it&#8217;s okay to embrace one&#8217;s sexual desire in the courting phase, but not when it comes to taking the leap and getting married?<br />
from all of this criticism i can&#8217;t help but wonder what the proposed alternative is? should we discourage sex within marriage because of everyone who&#8217;s had a bad experience? should we tell our horny brothers and sisters to slow it down indefinitely while they continue to play the field? there is no guarantee that marriages will work &#8211; and there are a great deal of issues within marriage that need to be addressed. but, even though i don&#8217;t want to rain on anyone&#8217;s parade, marriage isn&#8217;t all bad.  and sex within marriage isn&#8217;t too shabby a proposition, either.</p>
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